III. Firearm Information by Type

C. Self Loading Pistols

2. Models and Manufacturers

a. 1911A1

6. Magazine FAQ

Revised January 1, 1999

In response to repeated requests for clarification on the types and makers of M1911 series magazines during the World Wars and post-War, here is a brief outline:

"Two-tone" magazines. These are the type that were made up until just

before WWII. They are called "two tone" because only the bottom half of

the magazine was blued, while the upper half was left "in the white."

Most were made without lanyard loops. These sell for $30 to $70, depending on condition. Those with lanyard loops are much more scarce and therefore sell for $50 to $150, again depending on condition. There were several makers of two-tone magazines including:

Remington-UMC. Made by Remington during WWI to fill a large military

contract. This is the most numerous type of two-tone you will find. These are unmarked, but can be identified by the short length of the floorplate tab that extends from the front of the bottom of the magazine. The tab is rounded, but much more steeply curved than that of the Colt made magazine described below.

Colt Mfg. Made by Colt before, during, and after WWI for both commercial

sales and to fill military contracts. These too are unmarked, but can be

identified by a longer and more smoothly rounded (a longer, less severe curve) floorplate tab than on the Remington contract magazines.

American Pin Company. Can be identified by a small letter A stamped on the TOP of the floorplate tab. Very Scarce.

Raymond Engineering. Can be identified by a small letter R stamped on the

BOTTOM of the floorplate. Very Scarce.

World War II blued (a.k.a. "One-Tone") magazines. Made in large

quantities during WWII by a variety of contractors. Entire magazine body

was blued. To my knowledge, none of the WWII types had lanyard loops.

Prices range from $10 to $50, depending on maker and condition. Here is

partial list of military contractors:

Colt. Can be identified by a small letter C stamped on the top of the

floorplate tab, or "C-S" on the BOTTOM of the floorplate. There is some

debate as to whether or not "C-S" stands for Colt-Scoville, i.e. a

subcontract by Scoville for Colt.

General Shaver. Can be identified by a small letter G stamped on the top

of the floorplate tab.

Little. Can be identified by a small letter L stamped on the top of the

floorplate tab.

Risdon. Can be identified by a small letter R stamped on the TOP of the

floorplate tab. Don't confuse these with Raymond Engineering contract

magazines, which have the letter R stamped on the BOTTOM of the floorplate.

Scoville. Can be identified by a small letter S stamped on the top of the

floorplate tab.

Variants of Risdon and Scoville are marked respectively: "C-R" or "C-S" on the BOTTOM of the floorplate. I have seen one reference that indicated that these magazines were made under subcontract to Colt, to put in Colt's WWII production M1911 pistols. Presumably, the markings stand for "Colt-Risdon" and "Colt-Scoville."

A Special Note on WWII magazines: Many gun shop owners and gun show

dealers are relatively ignorant about the "top of the floorplate tab" markings

on WWII magazines. Most of course know the significance of two-tone

magazines. However, they often have a box of magazines that they have

accumulated over the years that they *assume* are all after-market. If you

take the time to sort through them and look for markings on the *tops* of

the floorplate tabs, you can go home with some original WWII magazines at a bargain price.

Post-WWII M1911 series .45 magazines:

Commercial Colt (pre-1970). Marked "Colt .45 Auto" on the bottom of the

floorplate. Beware! Many of the after-market copies carry the same

marking. However, the "counter" holes in the side of the magazine body

are generally over-sized. The other dead give-away is the typeface

("font") used in the marking. It is not the same style font used by Colt,

and the number "45" is usually not preceded by a decimal point.

Post WWII military contract. Most of these were made during the Vietnam "conflict". They can be identified by a lengthy military part number and manufacturer's contract number on the floorplate. These markings fill up most of the bottom of the floorplate.

Commercial Colt (post-1970.) Marked Colt .45 Auto on the bottom of the

floorplate. A rampant stallion (a.k.a. "prancing pony") marking was added

around 1970. Still in production. For many years the magazine bodies

have been produced under subcontract by the Metalform Company for Colt.

Shooting Star Company now produces some of the magazine followers for

Colt--most notably these followers are used in the 8 round stainless steel

model that was first produced for the now discontinued Double Eagle, but

is now standard for all full sized Colt .45 autos.

After-market copies. Too numerous to list here. Most are total junk, and

not worth buying. (You can expect horrible feeding problems.) In particular, beware of fake "Colt made" magazines! Three points to look for to determine if they aren't the genuine Colt-made item: 1) The fake magazines are marked "Colt 45 AUTO" but without a decimal before the "45". They may say "Colt" but they aren't made by Colt! 2) The typeface (font) is not the same as that used on genuine Colt magazines, and is much more deeply stamped. 3) The "counter" holes in the side of the magazine are often much larger than originals. Keep in mind that the lack of a "pony" doesn't necessarily mean that a magazine isn't a genuine Colt. The pony marking didn't begin until around 1970. The best evidence of originality is the type font used in the marking. (Compare side-by-side with a *known* Colt-made magazine until you learn to identify the original type font at a glance.)

Some exceptions to the "don't ever buy after-market" rule are .45 magazines made by Metalform, Shooting Star, and Wilson-Rogers. These are some of the *few* after-market brands that my customers report work well. There may be a few others that work, but why take the risk? In general, unless you want to buy grief, only buy original Colt made magazines, or original U.S. G.I. military contract magazines.

I hope that you find this information useful.

James Wesley, Rawles "No man's life, liberty,

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