IV. Comparative Firearm Information

G. Calibre Issues

10. .380 Ammunition & Barrel Lengths

by Roy Stedman (junk@shred2.net).

On rec.guns there is, pretty much perpetually, debate on the effectiveness and paper ballistics of the .380.

One of the points is that there are two classes of .380's-- the pocket pistols with under 3" barrels (Colt Mustang, AMT Backup, etc) and the larger 380's with 3" to 4" barrels (Makarov, SIG 230, and so on).

Factory 380 specifications are listed for longer length barrels, and not much information is available about the velocity (and thus energy) loss from a shorter barreled .380. With this in mind, a little free range time, a borrowed chronograph and a couple of .380's, I set out to find out what I could.

The Guns:

What 380's I had handy. An AMT 380 DAO Backup, and a Russian Makarov in .380. Note that these results are only valid for these two individual guns. An otherwise identical gun may shoot the same ammunition differently, due to differences in bore size, bore roughness, chamber tightness, and other factors. However, I believe the general conclusions will remain consistent.

The Ammo:

A couple popular hollowpoints and a sample of generic FMJ.

I've been using Federal HydraShocks because they are easy to find, relatively cheap, and feed reliably in both guns. I bought the Golden Saber to try out the heavier bullets. The American Eagle FMJ because it was the cheapest 380 FMJ when I went by the store.

With the exception of the HydraShocks listed as (old)*, each gun was tested with ammunition randomly chosen from the same box.

As a check (and to answer another rec.guns FAQ), I tested some HydraShocks that had been stored in the car for several weeks, getting bounced, baked and frozen along with my upholstery. Those are listed as (old)* in the results.

The Chrono:

I borrowed an Oehler 35P proof channel chrono, and set it up at a local indoor range after jury-rigging a few lights. For reasons I suspect have to do with the lights, I didn't get as many readings as I wanted. Maybe if I get really bored, I'll redo some of these.

I computed both kinetic energy (ft-lbs) and, for grins, IPSC power factor (a measure of momentum with strange units) A summary of the results appears below, with the actual chrono data for each shot at the end.

The Results:


Results Summary:

Factory (paper) Data   wt (gr)  mv (fps) bbl (in)        KE (ft-lbs)  IPSC PF
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Federal HydraShock        90      1000     3.75"              200        90
American Eagle FMJ        95       n/a      n/a               n/a        n/a
Remington Golden Saber   102       940        4"              200        96

AMT 380 Backup DAO     wt (gr)  mv (fps) bbl (in)        KE (ft-lbs)  IPSC PF
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American Eagle FMJ        95       895      2.75"             169        85
HydraShock (old)*         90       879      2.75"             154        79
HydraShock (new)          90       881      2.75"             155        79
Golden Saber             102       835      2.75"             158        85

Russian Makarov        wt (gr)  mv (fps) bbl (in)        KE (ft-lbs)  IPSC PF
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American Eagle FMJ        95      1022      3.6"              220        97
HydraShock (old)*         90       982      3.6"              193        88
HydraShock (new)          90       981      3.6"              192        88
Golden Saber             102       970      3.6"              213        99

*this ammunition was from different lots and cannot be directly compared.

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.380 Chronograph Data - Tale of the Tape
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Chrono: Oehler 35P proof channel 
Date:   5/2/96
Conditions: indoor range                |
                                        |
AMT 380 Backup DAO                      |         Russian Makarov .380
2.75" barrel (measured breechface to muzzle)      3.6" barrel (ditto)
                                        |
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American Eagle 95gr FMJ                 |
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                                        |
Velocity (fps) Energy (ft-lbs) IPSC PF  |       MV (fps)  KE (ft-lbs)  IPSC PF
           880      163        84       |          985        204        94
           878      162        83       |         1014        217        96
           906      173        86       |         1031        224        98
           902      171        86       |         1044        230        99
           895      169        85       |         1037        227        99
           907      173        86       |         1022        220        97
Average:                                |          
         (fps)     (ft-lbs)    (PF)     |        (fps)        (ft-lbs)   (PF)
           895      169        85       |         1022        220        97
                                        |
                               Advantage Makarov: (fps)       (ft-lbs)   (PF)
                                        |          128         51        12
                                        |
                                        |
Federal HydraShock 90gr JHP (old, different lots)
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Velocity (fps) Energy (ft-lbs) IPSC PF  |       MV (fps)  KE (ft-lbs)  IPSC PF
           894      160        80       |          984        193        89
           859      147        77       |          983        193        88
           881      155        79       |          978        191        88
           875      153        79       |          995        198        90
           887      157        80       |          979        191        88
                                        |          970        188        87
                                        |
Average: (fps)     (ft-lbs)    (PF)     |        (fps)        (ft-lbs)   (PF)
           879      154        79       |          982        192        88
                                        |
                               Advantage Makarov: (fps)       (ft-lbs)   (PF)
                                        |          102         38         9
                                        |
                                        |
Federal HydraShock 90gr JHP (new, same lot)
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                                        |
Velocity (fps) Energy (ft-lbs) IPSC PF  |       MV (fps)  KE (ft-lbs)  IPSC PF
           893      159        80       |          992        196        89
           894      160        80       |          990        196        89
           868      150        78       |          983        193        88
           873      152        79       |          969        187        87
           875      153        79       |          978        191        88
                                        |          976        190        88
                                        |
Average: (fps)     (ft-lbs)    (PF)     |        (fps)        (ft-lbs)   (PF)
           881      155        79       |          981        192        88
                                        |
                               Advantage Makarov: (fps)       (ft-lbs)   (PF)
                                        |          101         37         9
                                        |
                                        |
Remington Golden Saber 102gr BJHP       |
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                                        |
Velocity (fps) Energy (ft-lbs) IPSC PF  |       MV (fps)  KE (ft-lbs)  IPSC PF
           882      176        90       |          937        199        96
           815      150        83       |          975        215        99
           848      163        86       |         1012        232       103
           794      143        81       |          940        200        96
                                        |          977        216       100
                                        |          976        216       100
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Average: (fps)     (ft-lbs)    (PF)     |        (fps)        (ft-lbs)   (PF)
           835      158        85       |          970        213        99
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                               Advantage Makarov: (fps)      (ft-lbs)   (PF)
                                        |          135         55        14
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